16:54 Hi, i have lost all my saved money to FTX jews around 20000 dollars. 16:54 Please help me live. Please help me. 16:54 BTC : bc1q9vfmfwj6av9pxj50r6xyl652mwhqvw5ds86nw2 from ##math on libera lmao I said glass of juice why does people hate the juice https://thedefiant.io/sec-fined-barnbridge-dao-founders-for-offering-unregistered-securities we need dark daos more than ever its being heavily improved now funny how they go against small DAOs that cant fight back kinda gross they want after that video DAO guys (forgot their name) LBRY? yes! those guys ty ser they're pretty cool guys https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigerian-central-bank-lifts-ban-crypto-trading-2023-12-23/ anonymous exchange accounts: http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/d/InfinityProject oof 4% tho i was wondering if there's some kind of value capture mechanism possible for darkirc so idk like if it costs more to post (stake limit increased), then somehow that increases the value of the locked tokens somehow? staking is kinda like stimulating demand by creating supply shortages so yeah increases the value (at least theoretically), but also makes it more expensive to use The elites wants to destroy the concept of capitalism... free market... Cryptocurrencies are the new version they cannot hack. maybe not hack but centralize which might be similar xD #rekt again fml lol gm everyone waiting for the btc etf approval would be funny if it's rejected hamletmachine: did u see antikythera msg above? 10:11 antikythera i was wondering if there's some kind of value capture mechanism possible for darkirc 10:12 antikythera so idk like if it costs more to post (stake limit increased), then somehow that increases the value of the locked tokens somehow? i said this 10:14 reborn staking is kinda like stimulating demand by creating supply shortages 10:16 reborn so yeah increases the value (at least theoretically), but also makes it more expensive to use errorist: yeah will be hilarious lol would be bad for my btc bags tho reborn: thx for reposting antikythera: what are you ideas for value capture? staking rewards? i've been thinking we need some kind of ve- tokenomics that award greater staking rewards & governance vote weight based on how long DRK token is locked for (up to 4 years) also IMO need to create some kind of Protocol Owned Liquidity that we can create passive revenue from (via defi protocols, staking, etc) rather than set ourselves up to have to constantly fund dev work easiest way to do this would be some kind of bonding mechanism during intial launch (similar to Ohm but without the 3,3 ponzinomics) where people can purchase DRK at a discount to market price by filling out treasury with desired assets thinking BTC, XMR, maybe ETH given its a blue chip crypto & we would have some kind of evm presence to enable dex LPs (msg got cut off above) ... rather than set ourselves up to have to have to constantly fund dev work BY SELLING DRK hamletmachine: we are talking about darkirc chat app specificaly you will need to stake DRK as a spam protection mechanism agree but how to do that before token launches? if current test tokens are free to aquire then sophisticated spammers (nation states etc) can still easily DDOS yes we're talking post launch those are all good ideas lmao antikythera yday you were saying it would be funny if the ETF thing didn't happen well SEC was "hacked" and tweeted it was approved then later said they were hacked and deleted the tweet lol hamletmachine: i'm not a fan of ve tokenomics but I agree on the protocol owned liquidity and using treasury assets to farm yes it would be awesome if we were able to fund all our dev ops with passive revenue from our own treasury assets, without having to sell DRK (or to sell any of our treasury assets either). Creates a much more virtuous loop where we aren't constantly putting downward price pressure on DRK when we are forced to periodically sell in order to fund ops errorist: what would you say are the biggest concerns with ve? hamletmachine: take Crv (Curve Finance) as an example, even though people lock tokens for years, it didn't help with stabilizing the price of Crv, just an observation would be also nice to borrow against DRK fair. tho i don't necessary think the ultimate ve value was for price stabilization as much as presented a way that a large dao/protocol could ensure that its governance would be decided by those had not only had the largest stake, but also the longterm commitment to their decisions (since they had to lock their stake for 4 years) agree, for governance it definitely helped what do you think about having delegates, like some DAOs/L2s do? generally a good thing, individuals will not be as active or informed in governance as much as key insiders. reputation is a good barometer IMO what's the purpose of having delegates? i think whether we use ve- or some kind of delegation method, key would be that we don't create a conflict of interest for the core team & most engaged believers in the health of the protocol to be in a position where they have to sell the DRK (especially at a loss over its future value in a more mature darkfi ecosystem) in order to pay bills etc, as well as lose a proportional % of their governance stake deki: delegates would be someone in the community you trust to have the best interests of darkfi at heart, to whom you could 'delegate' your proportional voting stake ahh right but could change that at any time if they did something shady, or you just felt like taking control of your own voting back yeah so rather than having a lot of people, maybe thousands all voting, you can concentrate that in a smaller pool? brb the smaller pool of voters would carry the proportional voting weight of the whole group who delegated their stake to them that's right, thanks for the explanation yup, that can be a good thing but I also fear a bad thing, because it creates idols and from what i've seen most people delegate at the beginning and they don't pay attention to governance, they should be paying attention and redelegating their votes to people doing the job better, but they don't always do that makes sense to pay attention to Arbitrum and Optimism governance, lots can be learned over time democracy always results in people "should" pay more attention but inevitablydon't lol :D https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1745224780196835683 Edward Snowden(@Snowden): "The computer can be used as a tool to liberate and protect people rather than to control them." what about having the governance token be different to DRK? wdym, each DAO defined its own gov token s/defined/defines there's no reason it should be DRK same way ETH DAOs have custom token can anyone give me the TLDR of what went down with zcash and binance? did zcash end up implementing a new kind of t-address or sumn? I believe firo was implenting a new type of address for exchanges, not sure on zcash beep My understanding is that Binance essentially said they would delist ZCash unless they added an "exchange" address, and that they are rolling over. Much like Firo yes. This is fine https://www.coinex.com/en/announcements/detail/22884451766804 Title: Announcements "CoinEx Has Required Mandatory ID Verification for Deposits and Withdrawals of Privacy Coins" Society has no spine DarkFi wins privacy project of the year and most exciting innovation https://mirror.xyz/0x0f1F3DAf416B74DB3DE55Eb4D7513a80F4841073/wyFhJ9_ayxA6BXTW0WE1h4ZackVTjrZTeC28Y6-J4mc Title: #2023privacyproof finalists announced — Web3privacy now +1000 congrats on the win based Solana ecosystem profited the most from this run past few months today people got an airdrop for 10k usd also a huge test for the network, hearing people can't claim, fees are not spiking as high as on ethereum during the defi summer but the network seems to be lagging https://twitter.com/velodata/status/1754915031773294865 Velo(@VeloData): SEC introduces rule that potentially means all DEX liquidity positions above $50M must register with SEC https://t.co/NUGVOtoYoj O_O https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2024-14 Title: SEC.gov | Request Rate Threshold Exceeded https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754895992019644563 road to regfi XMR down -30% because it got delisted from Binance time to buy some :D maaan i'm down baad xmr already recovering a bit https://twitter.com/cryptonator1337/status/1755155895753851056 XMR nice bounce back today based Interesting fact is that Binance is delisting all spot based products but it is not delisting the usdt settled perps so people will still be able to trade XMR https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/24/02/37197087/rich-dad-poor-dad-author-robert-kiyosaki-predicts-bitcoin-to-reach-100k-by-june Title: 200 OK ruh-roh it's happenin correction then pamp? we either get a correction or a blow off top dotcom style run until eoy imho it all depends on macro, markets pricing too many rate cuts until eoy (markets are ahead of themselves) my best case is something breaking in the economy, some banks going bankrupt or something else, then the fed is forced to pivot, we get a shake off (ca. 30% flash crash), then they stimulate the economy again with QE and BTC does a fast recovery and goes to new ATHs in 2025-2026 no one knows what will happen, that's for sure, we can only speculate we could also get inflation reacceleration and then central banks are forced to raise rates even higher to 6-8% : wrote an extended guide for running darkirc on android https://gist.github.com/nighthawk24/8072ac75feb8c46bcb1b8bf14165ae87

: Title: darkirc on android · GitHub Title: darkirc on android · GitHub https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psDqn6KCrJ4 Title: Javier Milei delivers Argentina's first monthly budget surplus in 12 years - YouTube wow, markets getting crazier with each day while insiders like Jamie Dimon, Bezos and Zuck selling https://twitter.com/wallstreetsilv/status/1762016950329225458 what could go wrong? meanwhile xmr is basically a stablecoin at least milady's are pumpin XMR is a stablecoin now :D I guess it's good because it's mostly used for payments https://x.com/m1guelpf/status/1762211365530312766 errorist: are you buyin at these prices? draoi: I have few positions which i'm going to hold long term but recently sold a lot of stuff and went into stables better be safe than sorry, markets seem hot right now nice so you're expecting a correction what about halving event, but yeah guess better be safe than sry weird whitehouse announce yeah lol haumea: this cycle is playing out differently than before, seems like people are front running the halving this time, we could get a dump shortly before or after the halving, or even continue the rally until eoy, i'm watching stocks and macro because crypto is highly correlated everyone expects a soft landing (no recession) in the us, while europe, japan and china are already in a recession you see layofts all over the place in big tech while stocks hitting ath if you study history and look at yield curve inversion, the crash always comes when the fed starts cutting rates and they always wait too much because they use backwards looking data like unemployment to make decisions ++ strong analysis we'll see how it plays out but if the fed cuts this summer and stocks dump, it could drag down crypto the AI thing is pumping, esp since nvidia announce. I keep seeing new announcements about AI, but seems to be pumpy hype narratives rather than real growth https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/26/dell_ai_pc/ > Dell promises 'every PC is going to be an AI PC' whether you like it or not yup, it's a bubble, who knows how long it lasts but the AI hype is 100% it'sbown bubble someone compared the nvda chart to cisco during the dotcom bubble and it's 1:1 lol let me try to find it https://twitter.com/Barchart/status/1759797312757620961 lol far out AI is the new buzz word, every second job ad has it now yeah, every new tech is being pumped nowadays, then crashes. Metaverse, NFTs, even crypto itself... lots of pundits also claiming stock market indices are manipulated, not reflecting real state of economy. Tend to agree got a token airdropped on blast l2, worth 40k just for holding some nfts lol crypto is crazy "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent" guess we are at this stage now congrats, wish i were that lucky thx lots of people hate on Blast L2, but they did something smart, enabled people to bridge to the L2 before the network was life and they got more than 1b TVL locked, now they launched the network yesterday but not the token yet, so if people withdraw from the network, they will miss on the airdrop, so everyone is still holding their share and looking around for stuff to buy and gamble on lol before it was live* unfortunately, for most people crypto is just about gambling, they don't understand cypherpunk ideology only thing they care is making money, which is sad tbh hope we can change this over time I got the starknet airdrop But doesn't seem like a good time to dump https://blockworks.co/news/starkware-airdrop-token-lockup Title: Just a moment... STRK launched at a very high FDV, I wonder if it can stay that high, seems like there won't be much sell pressure in the first year so it can surely go up during bull market but the valuation seems pretty high to me, idk if you got the airdrop I would hold but not buy at these prices unless you are looking for a short term trade Well, I bridget it to ETH and it's ready for uniswap dump I don't see a reason to buy really ++ Got a Namada drop as well Though no clue when that is distributed/unlocked I just claimed it but nothing more errorist: where did you check for that airdrop? upgrayeed: it was for wassie nft holders, if you hold some you get the airdrop oh the platypussies? I think the correct term is platypi also, how do you determine whether to hold on an airdrop? I got the ENS airdrop, and I had no idea what to do at the time, then the price kinda just crashed actually I delegated my voting power thing to one of the ENS guys, but I think they kicked him out later on after some past 'controversial' tweets of his were dug up upgrayed: no, it's called bywassies / loomlock taking some more profits, this market is insane lol i've been scalping decentralized AI coins during dips. a few smaller ones promising truly uncensored results, don't think they neccessarily will deliver but that is a necessary meme right now Market is totally over extended =/ ++ kopachke: could get even crazier these things are hard to time i agree but the last 2 cycles all overextended with huge god candles past any rationality errorist: did you get my dm? hamletmachine: no ser, did we exchange pubkeys? i have yours from when you posted earlier... mine is: FaCKKQT355X36WGz1ABh9KM29HAUrH96iwkTDNxbgMRU one sec, let me add you +1 brb DMed you anyone here a fan of the CRV ecosystem? including the other governance token aggregators like CVX, Redacted, CVG, etc? errorist: hmmm not seeing it. i have your pubkey as: 855RitmfR499dBRGFFZHH33vCBxF77q8D3uX65vSFW52 ? yes, that's my pubkey did you get my message? no... odd hmm, did you restart ircd? yes but let me try again brb ok test test back errorist: sent you another test dm wait, my bad, wrote contract instead of contact in my config aiyaaa :D hamletmachine: I like Curve the dapp but not a fan of the token, has performed horribly lol i think it is primed to run up by this fall... crvusd now accounts for like 80% of the protocol revenue & adoption continues to grow... plus inflation and unlocks crater in just a few months plus the other lending protocol governance token aggregators like cvx, redacted etc are great proxy exposure to all of the other lending tokens the tech is good and surely the token can go up during bull market, i'm just hesitant to hold it, just because I know the founder of Curve used CRV to take a loan and buy a house :D better than selling it and crashing the market :) i won't sell my btc but have def taken stablecoin loans against it but agree some of that stress can affect CRV token price, which is why i like the other governance token aggregators like Convex that also scoop up FXS, CVG, Prisma, FXN, etc hamletmachine: what happened with Curve wars? I know there were some big things happening there? crv bribes are definitely standard practice now. convex still leads the pack but IMO losing ground because no vaults that autocompound yield. StakeDAO and Yearn great options rn. Claiming yield onchain (ie for Convex) is just stupid expensive are you guys buying rn probs will pull-back after we reached ATH but idk s/reached/reach will buy if NASDAQ pushes forward, but I think we will see a dip coming soon not buying anything rn, fully expect correction before bull bull market send aiya: i missed the chat. buy what you mean made some solid buys on crv, cvx and some ai coins at the bottom a few months ago, went long with leverage then & they are starting to srsly pay off but i'm dumb and don't know how/when to sell so will just let them keep compounding in various vaults until much deeper in the bull konirdom: just buying in general, not a specific coin. check telegram mirror to catch up on missed chat konirdom: good question, my faith in a bunch of alts I held has changed per the developments during the bear and I plan to roll my positions to new prospects i'm savvy on lending/amm governance tokens (and the gov token aggregators like convext, redacted etc rn as a proxy for the whole market). when we hit peak bull those defi staples will be getting max use & TVL, thesis is those tokens 10x from here *convex I am betting on RWA Tokensiation of assets is quite advanced in places like Switzerland. I thionk that paper assets such as debt or commerial papers *be it whatever, from intelectual property to bonds( is first to be tokenised and then we move to assets like real estate and companies. i'm still confused how RWA can work without being compromised by state actors. Like Frax for instance has a big RWA treasury bill aspect, they have a real world bank with assets that impact onchain tokenomics, what happens when a govt seizes those funds for not providing KYC on onchain identities? Of course they seek compiance in "travel rule". Then you have state's blessing right so is it just an inevitability that anyone offering exposure to RWA will require KYC sooner or later? either that or have their bank accounts containing RWA seized for compliance BS mattereum claims to have cracked it big time by actually...well work with the law, which means full state actors invovlement and must-kyc I mean, I don't know if you can really have rwa without the state who enables you to have "guarantees" you the ownership. Wasn't that historycally the case? From Babylon through Gengis Khan to China. If I buy a house in Italy, italian "rulers" are giving me protection to ownership Now you can argue, they can blow up my house but not DLT and my ownership to the land will always be recorded on the ledger if nothing else seems like an opportunity for state actor FUD causing massive dips in onchain RWA assets when real world accounts are threatened. good time to buy then if price exposure is the goal still kicking myself for not buying $100 XMR when it crashed after Binance delisting last month hamletmachine: same here I wanted to buy some XMR otc and the guy was like, 7% fee because the price went down and I declined, should have paid the fee regarding RWA, it's a cool new narrative to pump bags but it's like a trojan horse same with shady stablecoins, who knows if they are really backed with money in the bank errorist: usdt feels like tor in the sense that govts need an outside actor to shield their involvement. otherwise they would have made much more noise about them by now instead of the occassional tongue lashing or small court cases that don't actually threaten it i was an online poker pro 10-15 years ago and when the us govt decided to shut it all down, not only did they seize the URL domains of all the top poker sites GLOBALLY but they also froze/seized the non-US bank accounts of these non-US poker companies if govt really wanted to stop something like Tether it would be simple to just seize the non-US bank accounts filled with billions in banking, RWAs, etc also for all the press that evil CBDCs are getting, what do people think USDC is? Programmable, govt compliant US dollar stablecoin. When the US govt demanded all Tornado Cash wallets were frozen, USDC (Circle) immediately jumped to lock all the USDC in all related accounts. This after their CEO Allaire made some big statement the year before about how they would push back against govt overreach lol. Didn't just jump but asked how high RWA stocks exists on Algorand as assets, anyone can own TSLA, AMZN others and demand payment in ASA (Algorand token) as a stock, all kind of posibilities unlock with tokenization. Of course you gotta trust the LLC registered in the states that holds the underlying stock for the ASA, maybe this can be replicated in Switzerland? Allaire has hands tied since he took the bog investment from Goldman Sachs in 2014 +1 Circle had it so bad, they didn't get approval to make their SPAC public in 2021, the private interests can control Circle USDC better when Circle is not public https://twitter.com/jerallaire/status/1599755838566338560 The West lives in a creation which they have made before the rest of the world. They build infrastructure and trade which was catalysed by the creation: the financial system based. The coin for that 'ledger' is called USD. Now there is a news parallel system being built by Global South. The more they abuse their system, the less other centers of power are keen to join in, when now there is an alternative with BRICS. So I whink they need to think twice before just seize non-US entities. Look at what happened with Moscow's assets. Other state actors around the world said, well fuck that. So economic actors, banks and states can choose Chinese alternative. aiya: In Switzerland/Lichtenstein there is LCX. They have tokenised debt thus far and issued bonds EURT btw, GOLD is breaking out. Doesn't happen when interest rates are high. I guess they are telling that the Fed went too far tbh confused why more decentralized stables haven't become more popular. unfortunately most use usdc+ as collateral so that taints them. is there a decentralized stable that does not include centralized stables in their collaratal base? kopachke: nice so there exists a framework to tokenize assets wow gold chart looks primed for a break up hamletmachine https://reflexer.finance/ RAI was trying to achieve that Title: Reflexer Switzerland has well defined legal framework and implemented solutions. Physical diamonds called Tiamonds are already tokenised and being held in a vault in Switzerland. Than in Canton of Zug, you pay taxes in BTC or ETH and even buy real estate with it. So yeah, they are knees deep https://multicoin.capital/2024/03/07/the-holy-grail-of-cryptography/ Title: The Holy Grail of Cryptography - Multicoin Capital https://www.asianometry.com/p/is-the-ai-boom-real Title: Is the AI Boom Real? - by Jon Y > But Ben Thompson and others have been saying for a while that AI is an enabling technology - a technology for making the rich richer, rather than making a whole new class of rich people like the PC or electrification was. i'm not sure which article that is, but i found this https://stratechery.com/2023/ai-and-the-big-five/ Title: AI and the Big Five – Stratechery by Ben Thompson also https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/will-scaling-work Title: Will scaling work? - by Dwarkesh Patel - Dwarkesh Podcast so interesting seeing crypto vs AI, AI is not only entrenching the power of the system, but its billionaires too hanje-zoe: and apparently no one should worry... 'look at this fancy new 'AI' that just scans my emails and just auto generates a response'... language and communication between humans? naa why bother, too much work. $70k/$4k ftw still keeping my laser eyes on twitter until 100k tho... price action is bonkers. I heard someone said that we are over extended. Doesn't look to be bothering banks though, they keep buying at any price saw someone saying bitcoin flippened silver https://twitter.com/BitMEXResearch/status/1767807895645634867 tardfi still pouring money in Damn https://cointelegraph.com/news/crypto-mixer-bitcoin-fog-roman-sterlingov-convicted-money-laundering Title: Just a moment... :| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO4dSssAmE Title: The Vultures are Circling - YouTube new rekt news article about inflow of institutional capital tardfi takeover really good vid i'm blocked by rekt now lol why? who made this vid? probs the current team i expressed support for the former writer who is being scammed by the current team wtf the vid ends talking about "defi going dark" ngl i kinda hate that they trademarked my writing https://rekt.news/termAndConditions/ Title: Rekt - Terms and Conditions esp after telling me i couldn't be credited on the video since it wasn't rekt style to name authors damn, they used the same style even like the previous video well it's the same animator etc just the writer changed I dont know these rekt guys, but I follow rektoff on twitter, it's a Rust security account https://twitter.com/rektoff_xyz wow, someone deployed a tornado cash fork on base: https://shadow.fail/ Title: SHADOW probably a rug/money grab, so be careful, just wanted to share hey lads, assume I do great on darkfi, and I stack a good amount of coins after some time - what would I be able to do with them, if everything is anon? Like, say I'd want to buy a house, or an electric car, or even invest in a local renewable energy project - how would that work? https://twitter.com/tier10k/status/1770486264568959408 loading the security FUD for blackrock to buy lower to prepare for their ETF https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68620253 Title: Woman found with £2bn in Bitcoin convicted of money laundering arrangement offence https://apnews.com/article/binance-cryptocurrency-anjarwalla-custody-a7d94366049736286addbe5db220309a Title: Binance executive detained in Nigeria amid a crypto crackdown has escaped custody | AP News holy shit, today I wake up and I see a forgotten bag I held on Dogechain is now up 27612.8% in the last 24h, I can sell it for 6 figs this market is insane lmao nice a CEX even listed it lol siick Winners never lose :D man i gotta dig up my old dogecoin bag probably a lost cause tbh some web wallet from 2015 I have 0.2btc on a old bricked android phone I bought the same phone for parts but it's very hard to repair motherboard is dead and the UFS data chip needs to be removed and put onto the new phone, it's called chip off technique data is encrypted but I know the pin, no idea how to recover that, maybe in the future I'll be able to read the cheap and decrypt it but will be hard, or transplant the chip onto the new phone and hope it all works and I can unlock it with the display I'll wait till btc hits 1m and it then might be worth the hassle :D so much lost btc like tears in the rain yeah, it's like 30% of the supply if i'm not mistaken, lost coins crazy i've done my part errorist: i may be able to help. can you dm ... ssd: let's exchange keys [contact."errorist"] contact_pubkey = "855RitmfR499dBRGFFZHH33vCBxF77q8D3uX65vSFW52" https://milkroad.com/news/us-and-uk-investigate-20b-usdt-transactions-linked-to-russia-garantex/ Title: US and UK Investigate $20B USDT Transactions Linked to Russia's Garantex https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/02/crypto-market-today.html Title: Bitcoin tumbles $5,000 in 24 hours as interest rates jump oh gawd plz uptrend still intact but decision time soon :D https://x.com/DefiLlama/status/1777055430843228273 In March, crypto projects raised over $1 billion, reaching levels not seen since November 2022. Indicating a growing trend in investment allocated to crypto projects. https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/toncoin Title: Toncoin Price: TON Live Price Chart, Market Cap & News Today | CoinGecko Telegram go brrr damn they have an actual usable product unlike signal https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-08/crypto-scam-criminal-trial-tests-code-is-law-claim-by-trader Title: Bloomberg - Are you a robot? https://twitter.com/paoloardoino/status/1777339746051600531 Paolo Ardoino 🍐(@paoloardoino): This #TOKEN2049 in Dubai will be 🔥 @telegram / @Tether_to https://t.co/BLCvvVAMfn https://twitter.com/haydenzadams/status/1778126466984575166 SEC going after Uniswap... We need DarkFi more than ever Someone should build an AMM style DEX on DarkFi ^_^ It's not possible to do an AMM in ZK afaik But there is interesting stuff like darkpools (renegade.fi) and it's also possible to do order matching in FHE https://codeberg.org/darkrenaissance/darkfi/src/branch/master/script/research/tfhe/src/fhe.rs i think transparent amm would be gud, since the chain is anon it's beter 4 amms than normal chains just looked up AMM: automated market maker, what exactly is that? Yeah definitely a possibility deki: That's how DEX works, liquidity is pooled into a smart contract and you swap with the smart contract ah I see, is that why Uniswap is so well known? Were they amongst the first to 'pioneer' that? Yeah they were the first I think Actually it seems Bancor were the first don't think I've heard of them, first google result is about a supranational currency called bancor Keynes thought up lol https://bancor.network/